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gleno
12-08-2007, 12:05 AM
I have never been happy with the narrow standard bars fitted to the stock V-max and have planned to evolve the setup for some time.
I feel the shortcomings can be summarized as;
1)They are too narrow to provide a proper bracing geometry between the rider’s arms and the front suspension.
2)They are set too far back from the upper fork yoke for the rider to experience the tactile feedback that allows a rider to ‘feel’ the road.
3)They don’t allow the rider’s weight to be directly transmitted to the front suspension under braking.
4)They force the rider to adopt an upright riding position, which causes the rider to act as a natural windsock at highway speeds.
My favorite riding position is to have the hand grips forward of the standard setup and lower than the standard setup. I also like the bars to be angled down like the down stroke of a bird’s wing. That is a more natural grip for me.
I tried a set of drag bars that I scored as a freebie.
They definitely improved the control, ‘feel’ and geometry issues but they were too low to allow the handlebar controls to clear the faux tank. To obtain safe clearance I had to either twist the bars up (like the upstroke of a birdwing) and sacrifice comfort or put handlebar risers on the crown and get rid the really cool V-max alloy that sets off the instrument cluster. Both solutions are unacceptable.
They were also black and that does not go with the polished alloy on the front of my bike.
While looking around for a set of chrome drag bars I came across these bars by Tommaselli. The mounting combinations are huge because you can adjust the bars at the fork crown and the slope of the hand grips.
The combination allows you to set them up to mimic the stock riding position or simulate clip-on bars.
I set mine up for the forward position I wanted, the height I wanted and the downward slope of the handgrips I wanted.
The difference in rider comfort, road feel and stability at any speed is dramatic. The riding position also allows the rider to easily shift a butt from one side of the seat to the other when cornering. Cornering can now be an active participation sport on my V-max instead of a spectator sport.
…and I think it looks pretty mad.
What do you think?
one2dmax
12-08-2007, 08:58 AM
Looks like what is called a clubman bar. Not the look for me but definetly different. They are nice looking bars for quality though.
We sell a bar with drag bar pull back but about 1/2 the rise of the stock bar. Solves all the issues for $20.
Sean
shawn kloker
12-08-2007, 04:06 PM
I like them! I also like the bars that I have bought from Sean.Well worth the money.I have bought 3 or 4 sets from Sean in 2 styles.Nice to have a spare bar around,never know when you might need one in a hurry.
Redbone
01-18-2008, 12:26 PM
Looks like what is called a clubman bar. Not the look for me but definetly different. They are nice looking bars for quality though.
We sell a bar with drag bar pull back but about 1/2 the rise of the stock bar. Solves all the issues for $20.
Sean
I am looking for for some drag style bars that are a little wider (30" -31" wide range), and are black (or I can have powder coated). Sean, your bars sound like what I would want. Do you have a picture or two that I could look at?
Thanks!
4gasem
01-18-2008, 12:38 PM
I am looking for for some drag style bars that are a little wider (30" -31" wide range), and are black (or I can have powder coated). Sean, your bars sound like what I would want. Do you have a picture or two that I could look at?
Thanks!
Flanders has them if Sean doesn't. I have their black drag bars on mine. They are nice and wide.:thumbs up:
shawn kloker
01-18-2008, 03:45 PM
I have never been happy with the narrow standard bars fitted to the stock V-max and have planned to evolve the setup for some time.
I feel the shortcomings can be summarized as;
1)They are too narrow to provide a proper bracing geometry between the rider’s arms and the front suspension.
2)They are set too far back from the upper fork yoke for the rider to experience the tactile feedback that allows a rider to ‘feel’ the road.
3)They don’t allow the rider’s weight to be directly transmitted to the front suspension under braking.
4)They force the rider to adopt an upright riding position, which causes the rider to act as a natural windsock at highway speeds.
My favorite riding position is to have the hand grips forward of the standard setup and lower than the standard setup. I also like the bars to be angled down like the down stroke of a bird’s wing. That is a more natural grip for me.
I tried a set of drag bars that I scored as a freebie.
They definitely improved the control, ‘feel’ and geometry issues but they were too low to allow the handlebar controls to clear the faux tank. To obtain safe clearance I had to either twist the bars up (like the upstroke of a birdwing) and sacrifice comfort or put handlebar risers on the crown and get rid the really cool V-max alloy that sets off the instrument cluster. Both solutions are unacceptable.
They were also black and that does not go with the polished alloy on the front of my bike.
While looking around for a set of chrome drag bars I came across these bars by Tommaselli. The mounting combinations are huge because you can adjust the bars at the fork crown and the slope of the hand grips.
The combination allows you to set them up to mimic the stock riding position or simulate clip-on bars.
I set mine up for the forward position I wanted, the height I wanted and the downward slope of the handgrips I wanted.
The difference in rider comfort, road feel and stability at any speed is dramatic. The riding position also allows the rider to easily shift a butt from one side of the seat to the other when cornering. Cornering can now be an active participation sport on my V-max instead of a spectator sport.
…and I think it looks pretty mad.
What do you think?
I'd like to see a pic of you riding down the road with these bars on to see the riding position.
gleno
01-18-2008, 06:16 PM
I'll arrange it.
Robbarrie
01-19-2008, 08:40 AM
I had a set of bar which looked allot like them but the were not adjustable on my old RZ. I really liked them over stock. I would like to try those bars out for a few days and see how they feel on a Max because they bikes are so different.
You said you liked them eh ? I'd like them even better if the center piece was perfectly straight. Gleno, Your bike is in really nice (wicked) shape. You take good care of it of the beast, we can see that.
Man what I would give to live without fuk'in snow !
xirtam22
01-23-2008, 12:26 PM
Does anyone have a suggestion about what to change the handlebars to? I'm looking at black drag bars - width 28 -1/8", pullback 3 -3/4", rise 0", center 5 -1/2". My back bothers me to sit totally upright and the stock bars are too narrow and tall for me. Thanks.:cheers:
4gasem
01-23-2008, 01:02 PM
Does anyone have a suggestion about what to change the handlebars to? I'm looking at black drag bars - width 28 -1/8", pullback 3 -3/4", rise 0", center 5 -1/2". My back bothers me to sit totally upright and the stock bars are too narrow and tall for me. Thanks.:cheers:
Hey xirtam I merged your thread with a current one. Should help ya!
VikingD
01-23-2008, 09:53 PM
Anyone ever had trouble with the head bearing or developed a wobble after changing thier bars? I never wobbled before, but now I do and the only thing I did was change the bars. I did the head bearing tightness check suggested by sean in a previous thread and it is definetely loose, so I will tighten, but any other ideas?:ummm:
maxcruiser
01-23-2008, 10:03 PM
Anyone ever had trouble with the head bearing or developed a wobble after changing thier bars? I never wobbled before, but now I do and the only thing I did was change the bars. I did the head bearing tightness check suggested by sean in a previous thread and it is definetely loose, so I will tighten, but any other ideas?:ummm:
By putting straight bars on, your body is now leaned forward more and therefore more weight on the front end of the bike - this will increase the wheel wobble with the loose bearings. Should also check tire pressure.
Mike
gleno
01-24-2008, 03:43 AM
By putting straight bars on, your body is now leaned forward more and therefore more weight on the front end of the bike - this will increase the wheel wobble with the loose bearings. Should also check tire pressure.
Mike
It will also exaggerate any looseness that is caused by wear in the bearing.
Tightening the bearing may not fix that problem.
gleno
01-24-2008, 03:49 AM
I'd like to see a pic of you riding down the road with these bars on to see the riding position.
Here you go. Riding position pics as requested. Not as extreme as you might think but it allows a long streak like me to be comfortable on the little Max.:thumbs up:
shawn kloker
01-24-2008, 06:38 AM
It does look comfortable.Not what I was expecting.
4gasem
01-24-2008, 08:52 AM
Here you go. Riding position pics as requested. Not as extreme as you might think but it allows a long streak like me to be comfortable on the little Max.:thumbs up:
What are you? Like 7' tall? :surprise:
jimvette999
01-24-2008, 09:22 AM
Those bars look like they fit you well. :cheers:
Jim
shawn kloker
03-27-2008, 09:52 AM
I'm pretty new here.
What is this? :ummm:
Tommaselli adjustable bars.Go to the first post in this thread.Gleno put these on his bike.I like them but they are pricey.
one2dmax
03-27-2008, 09:58 AM
Looks like a deviation to the clubman bars.
Bar A in the diagram. I sell mostly the superbike bars. Bar F. I can get about 1/2 the bars in black painted too.
Sean Morley
lankeeyankee
03-27-2008, 10:12 PM
I am running drag bars on mine. What a huge possitive difference it made in the feel of control and cosmetic appearance. The only problem is I wish I could have my drag bars a lil higher about 1 in and 1 wider on each end. Any solutions to a 1 in riser?
one2dmax
03-28-2008, 07:19 AM
I've got some risers but I think they are 2". My bar E is the same pullback as the drag bar but with a rise built into it.
Sean
Gally
03-28-2008, 09:49 AM
What is the most comfortable dragbar that can be installed without changing any cables,hoses, etc?
Love the look, and seems it would be more comfortable than stock.:confused2:
Redbone
03-28-2008, 06:11 PM
I am running drag bars on mine. What a huge possitive difference it made in the feel of control and cosmetic appearance. The only problem is I wish I could have my drag bars a lil higher about 1 in and 1 wider on each end. Any solutions to a 1 in riser?
I don't know if this would fit what you need or not? (http://www.pythonmotorsports.com/vmax/vmax_products/riser_vmax.htm)
4gasem
03-28-2008, 06:15 PM
What is the most comfortable dragbar that can be installed without changing any cables,hoses, etc?
Love the look, and seems it would be more comfortable than stock.:confused2:
I am running a 31 or 32 inch Flanders drag bar on mine with stock parts. I now have different stainless lines but the stockers fit with no issues. I like them because they are wider than most which allows proper routing of cables and lines.:thumbs up: Mine are black but they make chrome as well. Check out my garage pics.
COP RUNNER
03-28-2008, 06:45 PM
I ALSO HAVE FLANDERS BLACK POWDERCOATED WIDE DRAG BARS , & I LOVE THEM , I RAN MY CLUCH & FRONT BRAKE LINES CRISS-CROSS BEHIND THE HEADLIGHT, MUCH CLEANER LOOK ! AND THE BARS ARE GREAT ! :cheers:
Gally
03-29-2008, 05:39 AM
I am running a 31 or 32 inch Flanders drag bar on mine with stock parts.
Thats exactly the look I am after... Any idea where I can buy on-line as I would have to get them shipped. I could go with chrome or black and would match up good....Oh....the mirror finishes it nice...where are they from?
Gally
03-29-2008, 05:48 AM
Are these the specs? $87.95
B23: 7/8" Flanders Drag Handlebar Wide Center:
Measurements
Degree of Bend: 18 degrees
Pullback:3.5"
Center: 9"
Width: 31"
Diameter: 7/8"
KJShover
03-29-2008, 06:04 AM
I have never been happy with the narrow standard bars fitted to the stock V-max and have planned to evolve the setup for some time.
I feel the shortcomings can be summarized as;
1)They are too narrow to provide a proper bracing geometry between the rider’s arms and the front suspension.
2)They are set too far back from the upper fork yoke for the rider to experience the tactile feedback that allows a rider to ‘feel’ the road.
3)They don’t allow the rider’s weight to be directly transmitted to the front suspension under braking.
4)They force the rider to adopt an upright riding position, which causes the rider to act as a natural windsock at highway speeds.
My favorite riding position is to have the hand grips forward of the standard setup and lower than the standard setup. I also like the bars to be angled down like the down stroke of a bird’s wing. That is a more natural grip for me.
I tried a set of drag bars that I scored as a freebie.
They definitely improved the control, ‘feel’ and geometry issues but they were too low to allow the handlebar controls to clear the faux tank. To obtain safe clearance I had to either twist the bars up (like the upstroke of a birdwing) and sacrifice comfort or put handlebar risers on the crown and get rid the really cool V-max alloy that sets off the instrument cluster. Both solutions are unacceptable.
They were also black and that does not go with the polished alloy on the front of my bike.
While looking around for a set of chrome drag bars I came across these bars by Tommaselli. The mounting combinations are huge because you can adjust the bars at the fork crown and the slope of the hand grips.
The combination allows you to set them up to mimic the stock riding position or simulate clip-on bars.
I set mine up for the forward position I wanted, the height I wanted and the downward slope of the handgrips I wanted.
The difference in rider comfort, road feel and stability at any speed is dramatic. The riding position also allows the rider to easily shift a butt from one side of the seat to the other when cornering. Cornering can now be an active participation sport on my V-max instead of a spectator sport.
…and I think it looks pretty mad.
What do you think?
I'm likeing them, where did you score them and for how much? :clapping:
gleno
03-29-2008, 07:30 AM
I bought mine in Sydney. Where are you?
Some links that may help.
http://www.domino-group.com/en/company/intro.aspx
http://www.domino-group.com/en/wherebuy/dealers.aspx
http://www.motocicliveloci.it/inglese/catalogue/manubri_uk.htm
Gally
03-30-2008, 10:01 AM
Im in Dubai, the UK websites are probably best for shipping, although I go to the states a bit and can pick up a few bits while there.
Ill check those out.
mnmax
03-30-2008, 10:13 AM
Look at wild hair accessories for bars. the have drag bars but not in the thumbnail. read the print thayare called HAG 6 or 7. VMOA members get 10% disc.
http://www.whaccessories.com/Handle%20Dragbar%20List.htm
-Lee-
03-30-2008, 02:38 PM
Look at wild hair accessories for bars. the have drag bars but not in the thumbnail. read the print thayare called HAG 6 or 7. VMOA members get 10% disc.
http://www.whaccessories.com/Handle%20Dragbar%20List.htm
The HAG6 and HAG7 bars are from a company called Hagen in Furth. (near Nuernberg). I have HAG7 low-rise bars on my Max. They are 30" long with about a 1" rise and very minimal pull back. I love them. Here is a link: http://www.hagenmotorsport.de/lenker/alulenker/hagen-alu-lenker-low-rise.html?vids=34
If you are going to order from Wildhair be ready for the price to be far more than advertised. Unless they keep these in stock (doubtful) then they will have to order them from here in Germany. Today $1 is only worth €0.6155 so you have to ask yourself if you need an $80 handlebar or not.
Good luck!
shawn kloker
03-31-2008, 12:49 PM
I had a broom stick bar before with no pullback.I rode with it for a week or so and threw it away.It totally killed my wrists and forearms.It was a shame,it looked cool as hell.
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