1/4 Mile Chit chat

[vmax735]

How about some 1/4 mile times ? I ran a 10.11 at Noble Raceway 2 years ago ... I have run a 10.28 at bandimere in Colorado...

[shawn kloker]

How about some 1/4 mile times ? I ran a 10.11 at Noble Raceway 2 years ago ... I have run a 10.28 at bandimere in Colorado...
I would like to know what setup you're running and your weight. Shawn

[KRL0215]

a general description of the mods would be helpful with the numbers.

I would love to get a timed 1/4 mile, but havent had the privilage yet

[one2dmax]

10.98 @ 121 1.667 60'

99 Vmax
Stock Suspension with front end strapped down (though one fork seal is totally blown out)
Kerker header with one of our custom high flow Carbon Fiber mufflers
Muscle Jet Kit (dynoed 125 RWHP & 80 ft lbs RWTQ)
17 Rear Kosman with 170/60/17 rear Radial
Stock front 18 with 110/80/28 Radial
Muscle Seat (lower Center of Gravity)
Mini Windshield
Double D clutch Mod

Not too many mods all things considered.

The 10.11 / 10.28 sounds like it might be Phil with a 1570 Longrod engine and chain drive - highly modified bike

Phil - if it's you i'm going to try and beat that this year with my 1500 Naturally Aspired engine and Shaft Drive!

Sean Morley

[firefly]

Guys, your numbers are very low, my bike does the 1/4 in 38 seconds:nyah nyah: I guess Cali bikes are faster:Nixon:
firefly

[shawn kloker]

Guys, your numbers are very low, my bike does the 1/4 in 38 seconds:nyah nyah: I guess Cali bikes are faster:Nixon:
fireflyIbrahim,My boys little pit bike would even beat 38 seconds with me and my wife on it. LOL!

[Erikir]

11.33@119 - 1.9 60'

Supertrapps (10 plates)
K&N
Needles shimmed

795lbs with rider

[shawn kloker]

11.10 @ 119mph, 1.70 60ft

[one2dmax]

11.10 @ 119mph, 1.70 60ft

You're almost there. Got to get the 60' down into the mid 1.6's with that MPH. Has your MPH changed much over your different times? As I recall you were doing about the same MPH but running slower.

Typically, the MPH won't change much and is a good indicator of the potential times you can get in the 1/4 with good 60' time.

1.7 is pretty darn good anyway and better then most here will ever see without slick or wheelie bars.

Later,
Sean Morley

[shawn kloker]

Sean,I actually had two runs with 1.65 and 1.64 60 ft times.I am pretty close to the bike potential now.Actually I am at the point where it is hard to get it all together each run.,Launch rpm,quick reaction time and shifting right on the shift light,holding full throttle.This all sounds stupid but it is alot harder than it looks.Waiting 1 1/2 hours between runs insn't helping.I am going to give my carbs another once over,float hieght etc.,Go to the next size smaller mains And try again.

[Rusty McNeil]

I weigh 245lbs, me and the bike wet (the bike, not me)with full gear at the track scale weigh 875lbs

I am pretty consistently in the 11.50's with 60' in the 1.70-1.80 range.
Trap speeds are around 115-116

My mods are in the gallery section.

My next step is going to be a lighter exhaust, double D clutch mod, rear struts, rear slick and maybe one of the wheelie bars from pingle. (they do make one just for the Max)

I would also like a powershifter but I'm afraid of screwing up the tranny.

I've never strapped the front end?
Any pointers or things to watch out for?

I also need to lose 30lbs but I like my beer too much.

[maleko89]

Another option to the double D clutch mod is the PCW clutch spring. Putting two stock springs together works but increases lever pull quite a bit. PCW's spring is 60% stronger and the increase clutch effort isn't nearly as bad.

[one2dmax]

best pass last week was 11.26 with the slick and bars. Best pass without strapping the front end this time and without the slick or bars was 11.36 and that was hitting the brakes enough at he end to only have 90 mph trap speed (trying to keep from breaking out which didn't matter anyway.). I was holding a wheelie through second on most of my runs (some say it was pretty high but only felt like 1' to me). My best 60' was 1.70

Out effective elevation (counting correction) was 4000 ft which means a .3-.5 tenths slower time then normal.

Fastest bike - 11.26 Sean Morley (muscle kit / Kerker / 15" slick / Bars / double d)
11.36 (muscle kit / Kerker / 17" rear / double d / hitting brakes)

Second fastest Vmax pass was 11.46 - Kevin Rowl (muscle Kit / Kerker / 17" Rear / double d)
Third was 11.60 - Chris Heath (muscle kit / Marks / 17" rear)
Fourth was 11.75 - Chris Joynt (stage seven / Kerker / 17" rear / double d)
Fifth was 11.86 - Scott Peterson (virtually stock bike)

I'll try to find the slips this weekend and let every one know the times for all the measured points.

Sean Morley

[one2dmax]

OK, got some updated times from the track.

Sean Morley
This particular bike is my 99 test mule. It has my jet kit (Muscle Jet kit), 17" rear Kosman wheel (except with later runs with 15" Firestone slick), Nearly bald 170/60 tire, Kerker header with my titanium baffle/can, stock suspension height and double "d" clutch modification.

My fastest non-slick and bar run was:
Dial in - 11.51
Reaction - .2339 (on a "pro" tree" which is all at once)
60' - 1.7343
330' - 4.7410
1/8th mile - 7.2357
1/8th mph - 98.43
1000' - 9.4312
1000 mph - 110.48
1/4 mile - 11.3671 (note - et and Mph indicate I hit my brakes to keep from "breaking out" which I did anyway dang it)
1/4 mph - 109.20

Best pass with slick and bar:
Dial in - 00.00 time only
Reaction - .2489 (on a "pro" tree" which is all at once)
60' - 1.6438
330' - 4.6192
1/8th mile - 7.1280
1/8th mph - 97.19
1000' - 9.3425
1000 mph - 109.17
1/4 mile - 11.2661
1/4 mph - 116.46

If you compared my other slips you would see that the MPH didn't really vary. This is why you can get a very good indication of the bikes potential time from it's ending MPH. Normally, the weather is better and my MPH is in the 120-121 range which puts my potential in the high 10's which I normally can reach.

You can also tell from my times that getting the first 60' is a big key to getting to the end faster.

Scott Peterson
Here's the fastest run by Scott which was running an essentually stock 1992 with drilled mufflers - "y" removed - and K&N drop in filter - 170/80 Metzler 880 with over 8K on it (so traction wasn't as good as with a new tire but not too bad either). He recently dynoed at 118HP:

Dial in - 00.00 (time only)
Reaction - .3760 (on a "pro" tree" which is all at once)
60' - 1.8484
330' - 4.9901
1/8th mile - 7.6044
1/8th mph - 94.36
1000' - 9.9008
1000 mph - 105.96
1/4 mile - 11.8665
1/4 mph - 114.27

Now based on his ending MPH he has a lot of potential left in the bike. He should have been running 11.50's if he could have had a quicker 60' time. Basically it's unused HP. He used just shy of 100HP to make that run.

Kevin Rowl - 1992 with Muscle Jet kit, Kerker header with custom carbon buffler, 17" rear wheel, MT shootout tire, lowered 2" front and rear, 3" extended swingarm

*Note* this pass is not his fastest (I don't have his slip but it was 11.46 or so) This is for comparative purposes:

Dial in - 00.00 (practice)
Reaction - .2610 (on a "pro" tree" which is all at once)
60' - 1.7153
330' - 4.7455
1/8th mile - 7.3145
1/8th mph - 95.10
1000' - 9.6000
1000 mph - 107.68
1/4 mile - 11.5811
1/4 mph - 113.18

Based on his numbers Kevin was getting nearly the full potential of his bike on the track. He dynoed at 114 and is just about using it all. A very decent 60' time shows in the elapsed time. If you compare the numbers he actually isn't pulling as hard on the top end as the other bikes are. Of course his weight being 40-50lbs lighter then me and scott really helps him here.

Now the fastest bike that went with us was Ryan Ashby. He has an 86 Fazer that we built a engine for. It is no longer a 700cc thanks to the help of a bored and built 88 FZR 1000 engine. He recenently had the bigh number on the dyno with 132HP! Keep in mind that this bike is an easy 200lbs lighter bike not couting that he only wieghs 140lbs. That is a weight advantage!

His best pass of the day was a 10.90 with him drivign it and a 11.11 with me driving it. His lighter weight lets the tire slip a bit on the track while my heavier wieght made it simply do power wheelies in every gear forcing me to let out of it before flipping it over - man that bike is making power! Here's a sample pass from him:

Dial in - 00.00 (practice)
Reaction - .1535 (on a "pro" tree" which is all at once)
60' - 1.8122
330' - 4.8443
1/8th mile - 7.1874
1/8th mph - 104.55
1000' - 9.2228
1000 mph - 118.36
1/4 mile - 11.0016
1/4 mph - 126.37

Now, if you look at his times closely and compare you would see that we have him solidly up to the 330' mark. By that time he is finally in control of the bike and can really open it up. Check out the 18th mile MPH!

Once he gets this bike on a slick and bar it is flat going to fly. I epect to get very low 10's and maybe on a good day and pass a high 9 out of it.

Anyway, there were some other vmaxes there and they were in the 11.60's and 11.70's and both were header, jet kit and 17" wheel equipped bikes.

All in all, it was a very fun 2 days and we'll keep at it.

Sean Morley

[jfeagins]

Guys, keep in mind this was many years ago, (1985) but here is my best day at the track for my 85 bone stock max:

11.27 sec @ 121mph

Missouri elevation??
I weighed between 175-185lbs back then, I think.
stock everything

And, I am very intimidated by a crowd watching me, sorry to say. My reaction times probably sucked accordingly. They didn't have all the fancy reaction times, 60 ft times, 1000 ft times, or any of that back then.

Those were the days.... but I still love to and from work as an older, less prone to drag racing, senior rider.

[Waylander]

Should be able to get mine on a track this month hopefully.

If not it'll be december. Got a smart mouth guy on a K2 GSXR 750 wanting to race me.

[DJDrPhil]

Hi guys, i've raced cars for years, but racing a bike was so much different. I have only gotten 6 runs on my bike so far but with some practice and good weather I hope to be posting some really good times. The bike with me on it weighs 760lbs and still runs bias tires. Last year I had a kerker exhaust, and a k & n air filter. For this year i've match ported the air intake housing to the air filter. A stage 1 dyna jet kit has been installed, and new sliders (2 old ones were sticking).
My 3 best runs so far are:

July 25, 07' Aug.26,07' Aug.26,07'
9:20p.m. 12:03p.m. 2:17p.m.
r/t .091 .114 .049
60' 1.790 1.751 1.770
330 4.861 4.833 4.886
1/8 7.405 7.418 7.475
mph 95.06 94.29 96.14
1000' 9.651 9.679 9.706
1/4 11.577 11.609 11.610
mph 116.24 115.97 117.81

3000rpm launch on 1st run
3200rpm launch on 2nd run, first to second would shift, had to let off and shift again.
2800rpm launch on 3rd run, track was getting slippery.:thumbs up:

[shawn kloker]

Hi guys, i've raced cars for years, but racing a bike was so much different. I have only gotten 6 runs on my bike so far but with some practice and good weather I hope to be posting some really good times. The bike with me on it weighs 760lbs and still runs bias tires. Last year I had a kerker exhaust, and a k & n air filter. For this year i've match ported the air intake housing to the air filter. A stage 1 dyna jet kit has been installed, and new sliders (2 old ones were sticking).
My 3 best runs so far are:

July 25, 07' Aug.26,07' Aug.26,07'
9:20p.m. 12:03p.m. 2:17p.m.
r/t .091 .114 .049
60' 1.790 1.751 1.770
330 4.861 4.833 4.886
1/8 7.405 7.418 7.475
mph 95.06 94.29 96.14
1000' 9.651 9.679 9.706
1/4 11.577 11.609 11.610
mph 116.24 115.97 117.81

3000rpm launch on 1st run
3200rpm launch on 2nd run, first to second would shift, had to let off and shift again.
2800rpm launch on 3rd run, track was getting slippery.:thumbs up:

Yo uare launching at about half of the rpm's that you should be.It has to be bogging bigtime.

[shawn kloker]

Yo uare launching at about half of the rpm's that you should be.It has to be bogging bigtime.
Need to get that tire warm first too.Get it spinning in 2nd or 3rd.Remember to shift back to 1st before staging.

[DJDrPhil]

Need to get that tire warm first too.Get it spinning in 2nd or 3rd.Remember to shift back to 1st before staging.

Thanks for reading that Shawn:eusa_dance:Yeah I do get it back in first before prestaging. I don't do a burnout and that is probley the majority of my problem. I haven't ever done a burnout on a bike so I have that issue if it is gonna spin the tire or grab and do a wheelie:biglaugh: When I get to the track this year I do plan on starting to do that. Any tips you have for doing the burnout on the bike would be helpful. Thank you one again for taking the time to read my post.

[KJShover]

Thanks for reading that Shawn:eusa_dance:Yeah I do get it back in first before prestaging. I don't do a burnout and that is probley the majority of my problem. I haven't ever done a burnout on a bike so I have that issue if it is gonna spin the tire or grab and do a wheelie:biglaugh: When I get to the track this year I do plan on starting to do that. Any tips you have for doing the burnout on the bike would be helpful. Thank you one again for taking the time to read my post.


This should help ya a little bit :punk:


http://vmaxoutlaw.com/tech/launching.htm

[DJDrPhil]

This should help ya a little bit :punk:


http://vmaxoutlaw.com/tech/launching.htm


thank you for your help, I will go look at that site now:worthy:

[shawn kloker]

After you back the bike into the water,stay seated,put your feet down to hold and steady the bike.Put it in 2nd and dump the clutch at 4000rpm or so with the front brake on.After its smoking real good I like to let off the brake and then floor it on the way up to the line.That's my favorite part. Get it back into 1st before staging.

I had some trouble at first with this on my honda.I wasn't reving high enough before dumping the clutch.Then the bike was pushing the front tire instead of spinning the rear.

[Rusty McNeil]

The bike with me on it weighs 760lbs:

You weigh like 145-150?

This is an awesome chance for us to see what a "skinny guy" like Pee-Wee Gleason can do on a late model max. most of us around here are far from light weights:biglaugh:

Your times; and 60' times; are already quite good....keep at it. I'm interested.

I weigh 235-240 and the best I've ever squezzed out of her is a 11.45 or so, and that's with exhaust and the bike weighing 585 (I've lightened it every way I know how while keeping it streetable) on the low fuel lite.

Rusty

[DJDrPhil]

You weigh like 145-150?

This is an awesome chance for us to see what a "skinny guy" like Pee-Wee Gleason can do on a late model max. most of us around here are far from light weights:biglaugh:

Your times; and 60' times; are already quite good....keep at it. I'm interested.

I weigh 235-240 and the best I've ever squezzed out of her is a 11.45 or so, and that's with exhaust and the bike weighing 585 (I've lightened it every way I know how while keeping it streetable) on the low fuel lite.

Rusty

Hi Rusty:thumbs up: Yes in the summer I weigh 150-155lbs. 2 jobs in the summer get the weight off of me, I'm at 180 right now...ahhhh...hahaha. Anyway I will be working on my launch and replacing the back tire again. I don't really like the one I put on the back, so I am thinking a avon venom. I will keep you posted on my progress, like I said i've raced cars but bikes are a new ball game to me. Thank you for writing and I'll talk with you soon.:eusa_dance:

[DJDrPhil]

After you back the bike into the water,stay seated,put your feet down to hold and steady the bike.Put it in 2nd and dump the clutch at 4000rpm or so with the front brake on.After its smoking real good I like to let off the brake and then floor it on the way up to the line.That's my favorite part. Get it back into 1st before staging.

I had some trouble at first with this on my honda.I wasn't reving high enough before dumping the clutch.Then the bike was pushing the front tire instead of spinning the rear.
Shawn thank you for your advice, that is the kind I really needed. People in the stands may get a good chuckle the first time I do it, but hey that's how you learn.:biglaugh:

[lankeeyankee]

10.98 @ 121 1.667 60'

99 Vmax
Stock Suspension with front end strapped down (though one fork seal is totally blown out)
Kerker header with one of our custom high flow Carbon Fiber mufflers
Muscle Jet Kit (dynoed 125 RWHP & 80 ft lbs RWTQ)
17 Rear Kosman with 170/60/17 rear Radial
Stock front 18 with 110/80/28 Radial
Muscle Seat (lower Center of Gravity)
Mini Windshield
Double D clutch Mod

Not too many mods all things considered.

The 10.11 / 10.28 sounds like it might be Phil with a 1570 Longrod engine and chain drive - highly modified bike

Phil - if it's you i'm going to try and beat that this year with my 1500 Naturally Aspired engine and Shaft Drive!

Sean Morley

This is what I am trying to match or beat with my setup. But I dont have a 17in rear wheel which is better hooking than the stock skinny 15 in rear.
Almost identical setup except for the exhaust can and carb setup.
I will run the 1/4 mile October 4th

[lankeeyankee]

This isnt the correct way to do a burn out at the dragstrip.
You dont want to back in the water and start spinning the tire. This will sling water up on your inner rear fender, than while you are staged guess whats happens? That water drips a few drops onto your tire!

Correct way. barely back into the edge of the water not a puddle.
First gear, Standing up with the front brake applied.
Barely spin the rear tire over, not fast just enough to rotate it 2-3 times guesstimate speed of tire spin 10-15 MPH.

Come up away from the water on dry.
Click it up in to second gear.
Stand up apply the front brake.
Sling the clutch as you whack the throttle hard.
After the rear tire is spinning (1 second sit down on the seat)
Watch your tach keeping it around 7500 RPMS (Tire Speed is about 70MPH)
Sit and allow the tire to smoke about 3-5 seconds.
Release the front brake allowing the bike to move forward.
Ease off the throttle this will cause the tire to hook and jerk you back so hang on,
Now your tire is heated up and clean.
Dry hops are optional which I dont do unless its a slider clutch and this is to test the electronics and 2 step ignition.
Good luck next time out.

After you back the bike into the water,stay seated,put your feet down to hold and steady the bike.Put it in 2nd and dump the clutch at 4000rpm or so with the front brake on.After its smoking real good I like to let off the brake and then floor it on the way up to the line.That's my favorite part. Get it back into 1st before staging.

I had some trouble at first with this on my honda.I wasn't reving high enough before dumping the clutch.Then the bike was pushing the front tire instead of spinning the rear.

[one2dmax]

with the 60' times you are posting I don't see where it will be a problem beating that time. Good luck! I have actually gotten just as good a 60' time with stock sized 150/90 and even the 170/80 metz tire.

Sean

[lankeeyankee]

with the 60' times you are posting I don't see where it will be a problem beating that time. Good luck! I have actually gotten just as good a 60' time with stock sized 150/90 and even the 170/80 metz tire.

Sean


I doubt if I even would have seen 11.0's with this shit!
I either have a clutch slipping or some valves out of adjustment. Looks I will pulling the valve covers this week to get her back in shape.. :bang head:
Coming out of the hole it just doesnt seem to have that quickness to it low on power just due to the MPH......... 60ft's off seven - eight hundreth and MPH down 6 mph.,. The track was there tonight great hooking just couldnt pull this pig out of the hole hard enough and this was 6500 to WOT slipping the clutch

:confused2:

1.654
4.653
6.750
7.232 ET
94.94 MPH

1.637
4.671
6.769
7.247 ET
95.14 MPH

1.648
4.693
6.793
7.270 ET
95.37 MPH

[Neil-3446]

Could be a loose nut behind the handlebars :confused2:

[lankeeyankee]

Well if you ever make it out of your backwoods onto any asphalt to a dragstrip post some of your numbers, until than keep spinning your tire on gravel Hot Rod.:rofl_200:

[113s&s]

suzuki power again 85 1150 e,,,,,,,rated 101 hp,,,,,11.2 122mph ...all stock less than 10 runs under my belt

[lankeeyankee]

suzuki power again 85 1150 e,,,,,,,rated 101 hp,,,,,11.2 122mph ...all stock less than 10 runs under my belt


I fully agree with you here!! Suzuki is the best powered engine for motorcycles!! Yamahas SUCK!! Trust me if there was another VMAX made by a different manufacture and it was as close as todays sport bikes I would be all over it.
I learned this with my first Yamaha, a DT100 the transmission got stuck in 2nd gear! I swore I would never buy another Yamaha than I bought the Yamaha Chappy which was ok but it was different from other mopeds.

Suzuki is the best I admit for power.
Next is Kawi
Honda is decent but the reliabilty and smoothness beats the above just not in power.
Yamaha, well not really good at anything but making a whicked looking motorcycle.

[Neil-3446]

Well if you ever make it out of your backwoods onto any asphalt to a dragstrip post some of your numbers, until than keep spinning your tire on gravel Hot Rod.:rofl_200:

When you have almost 700 acres you understand these long roads covered with gravel.

Now do explain what a Boooosa with holding the front brake has to do with this thread along with Coors Light Cans sitting next to another 3rd grade science project?
:th_favorites24:



I cant explain!!!

My 3'rd grade science project involved:

1 - Notching a motorcycle swingarm while boxing the void to strengthen the unit as a whole. Thus, explaining why idiots don't understand the strength of metal while claiming to be engineers.

This is simple metallurgy!

2 - The turbo on my desk you reference is a graduate class you have no chance in passing, even though the tech is almost 9 years old. :rofl_200:

The Coors Light can is for AR side reference.

------------------------------------------------------

Just yanking your chain Yankee...because it is tooooooo easy little one.

[lankeeyankee]

Thanks for your detailed explanation! That was awesome. Now I just need to know where you been the past 4 days.

A) Drove to the libary to look up all those big words you used.
B) You got tired of peddling your generator, or do you have a gas one now?
C) The ink washed off your hand with the password to your PC, but I highly doubt that due to the next Holiday isnt for atleast another 7 weeks and we all know how you Kentucky boys are.

[Neil-3446]

Thanks for your detailed explanation! That was awesome. Now I just need to know where you been the past 4 days.

A) Drove to the libary to look up all those big words you used.
B) You got tired of peddling your generator, or do you have a gas one now?
C) The ink washed off your hand with the password to your PC, but I highly doubt that due to the next Holiday isnt for atleast another 7 weeks and we all know how you Kentucky boys are.


D: Bored as fuck listening to you :biglaugh:

[lankeeyankee]

D: Bored as fuck listening to you :biglaugh:


What did you run out of popcicle sticks to finish your science project:confused2: