X1-r

[silverhammer]

Dale Walker at Holeshot Performance recommends using Kendall oil in conjunction with the X1-R additive. X1-R is difficult to find locally, but Z-Max is not. Does anyone think Z-Max would be a viable alternative to X1-R, or are either really necessary?

 

[4gasem]

They're totally different but the zmax is something that actually seems to work. Airplanes have used it for years.

Personally I stay away from it all. People here have 100,000 plus on a stock motor with no special additives. It's all about changing it often.

 

[KJShover]

Personally I stay away from it all. People here have 100,000 plus on a stock motor with no special additives. It's all about changing it often.

+1 good ol preventitive maintenance.

 

[Rhoy Carter]

I worked in a chemical plant for 31 years making additives for gas and oils. All the additive packages the oil companies use are just in spec and any additional additives added to the oil will throw your fresh oil out of spec. If you are going to dilute the oil why not just use the recycled oil.

 

[Diablotin]

what frequency for changing the oil? same than manual ?

 

[GREEN light BLITZ]

Z-Max just got the shit sued out of them because they found that mineral water is the main ingredient of their product and it makes things worse...I stopped using it...





"FTC Sues Speedway Motorsports and Oil-Chem Subsidiary

Performance Claims For zMax Auto Additives Are Unsubstantiated, FTC Charges

The Federal Trade Commission has filed suit in U. S. District Court seeking to halt false and misleading advertising for zMax auto additives and has asked the court to order refunds to consumers who bought the products. The agency alleges that enhanced performance claims for the product are unsubstantiated, that tests cited to support performance claims actually demonstrated that motor oil treated with zMax produced more than twice as much bearing corrosion than motor oil alone, and that the three different products - an engine additive, a fuel line additive and a transmission additive - were all actually tinted mineral oil. zMax is manufactured by Oil-Chem, a wholly-owned subsidiary of Speedway Motorsports, Inc. Speedway, based in Concord, North Carolina, operates NASCAR [SIZE=undefined][COLOR=darkgreen! important]race tracks[/COLOR][/SIZE] in the South and in California, in addition to marketing the zMax products.

According to the FTC complaint, since at least May 1999, zMax ran infomercials touting its "Power System," a $39 package of three additives to be used in the engine, fuel line and transmission of automobiles. The infomercials feature testimonials from consumers and race car drivers making claims such as, "I was averaging about 22 miles to the gallon on the highway. I installed the zMax and so I jumped right up to about [SIZE=undefined][COLOR=darkgreen! important]28 miles per gallon[/COLOR][/SIZE];" and "zMax guarantees a minimum of 10 percent gas mileage increase." Other marketing and promotional pieces claim, "zMax with LinKite has the scientific, CRC L38 proof it takes your car to the MAX!" and "Why zMAX Works - Cuts carbon build-up on valve stems 66%; Lowers wear on valve stems 66%; Lowers wear on piston skirts 60%; Reduces blow-by leakage 17.7%; Increases combustion efficiency 9.25%; Lowers fuel consumption 8.5% - Results of an independent CRC L38 test."

According to the FTC, the CRC L38 test is a standard auto industry tool to measure the bearing corrosion protection properties of motor oils. In February/March 1997, an independent laboratory performed two CRC L38 tests of zMax for Speedway and Oil Chem. In those tests, motor oil treated with zMax produced more than twice as much bearing corrosion as motor oil alone. The complaint also states that the defendants fabricated one "report" from the two test reports, eliminating the bearing corrosion results and all other negative test results, and then used that report and the "official laboratory results" - similarly edited to remove detrimental data results - as sales tools in the infomercial and on the zMax Web site.

The FTC's complaint alleges that the defendants did not possess and rely on reasonable substantiation for the following claims in the infomercial, on the Web site and in brochures that zMax:

* increases [SIZE=undefined][COLOR=darkgreen! important]gas mileage[/COLOR][/SIZE];
* increases gas [SIZE=undefined][COLOR=darkgreen! important]mileage[/COLOR][/SIZE] by a minimum of 10%
* reduces engine wear;
* reduces or eliminates engine wear at startup;
* reduces engine corrosion;
* extends engine life; and
* reduces emissions.

The agency's complaint also alleges that the defendants falsely represent that the results of the CRC L38 test proved that zMax:

* increases gas mileage;
* reduces engine wear;
* extends engine life;
* lowers [SIZE=undefined][COLOR=darkgreen! important]fuel consumption[/COLOR][/SIZE] by 8.5%
* lowers wear on valve stems by 66%
* lowers wear on piston skirts by 60%; and
* cuts carbon build-up on valve stems by 66%.

Finally, the FTC charges that in consumer testimonials and endorsements in their advertising, the defendants did not have substantiation for the representation that the endorsers' experiences were, "The actual and current opinions, findings, beliefs, and/or experiences of those consumers; and the typical or ordinary experience of members of the public who use the product."

The FTC is asking the court to bar the defendants from violating the FTC Act, which prohibits deceptive acts and to order consumer redress or require that they give up their ill-gotten gains.

This case is the latest in a series of FTC law-enforcement initiatives targeting unsubstantiated claims made by auto additive manufacturers. The FTC previously halted allegedly deceptive advertising by the marketers of Dura Lube, Motor Up, Prolong, Valvoline, Slick 50, and STP, other major brands of engine treatment products.

The Commission vote to file the complaint was 5-0. It was filed in U.S. District Court for the Middle District of North Carolina, in Greensboro, January 31, 2001.

NOTE: The Commission authorizes the filing of a complaint when it has "reason to believe" that the law has been or is being violated, and it appears to the Commission that a proceeding is in the public interest. The complaint is not a finding or ruling that the defendants actually have violated the law. The case will be decided by the court.
Copies of the complaint are available from the FTC's web site at FEDERAL TRADE COMISSION and also from the FTC's Consumer Response Center, Room 130, 600 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W., Washington, D.C. 20580. The FTC works for the consumer to prevent fraudulent, deceptive and unfair business practices in the marketplace and to provide information to help consumers spot, stop and avoid them. To file a complaint, or to get free information on any of 150 consumer topics, call toll-free, 1-877-FTC-HELP (1-877-382-4357). The FTC enters Internet, telemarketing and other fraud-related complaints into Consumer Sentinel, a secure, online database available to hundreds of civil and criminal law enforcement agencies worldwide.

(FTC File No. 002 3256)
(Civil Action No. 1:01CV00126)



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Court approval of settlement:

A federal judge in the U.S. District Court for the Middle District of North Carolina, in Greensboro, has approved a settlement of the Commission’s action against the marketers of zMAX automotive lubricant. (FTC File No. X010021; Civ. Action No. 1:01CV00126; staff contact is Jonathan Cowen, Bureau of Consumer Protection, 202-326-2533.) NOTE: Stipulated final judgments are for settlement purposes only and do not constitute an admission by the defendants of a law violation. Copies of the documents associated with this case are available from the FTC’s Web site at FEDERAL TRADE COMISSION and also from the FTC’s Consumer Response Center, Room 130, 600 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W., Washington, D.C. 20580. Call toll-free: 1-877-FTC-HELP"

 

[KJShover]

what frequency for changing the oil? same than manual ?

I change the oil ( engine and diff ) every season, so about 2500 miles. I know I don't have to with that low of mileage, but it's part of my spring, get-the-bike-ready ritual.

 

[Diablotin]

I guess it doesn't hurt at all to do it every year. Just maybe the wallet lol.

 

[4gasem]

Oil is CHEAP AS SHIT IMO. I put 300 miles on my max this year. I'll be changing it asap in the spring with Shell Rotella 5W40.

 

[Thevmaxrider]

Change your oil regularly and you can't go wrong. Most, if not all, of these additives are just junk to part you from your money.

 

[spursmech]

unk:I change my oil every 3 months. No big deal, Autozone sells 5 liter jugs of Valvoline 20-50 oil and a Fram filter for $15.00. Every month the brand of oil changes so you can pick the flavor you like. Takes about 15 minutes and you can look the bike over and check tires during this period. $60.00 a year is not expensive and gives you some time to look the bike over for new mods. Good Luck, Spur

 

[silverhammer]

My max is an '07 I bought used in October of '09 with 2,300 miles on her. I ride 50 miles a day to work and back, not including any weekend trips for fun. So, I am racking up the miles. I changed the oil last week at 3,000 miles and I used Valvoline racing oil 10W40. I DID NOT use any X1-R or Z-Max (thankfully), and I won't - now that you guys have made me aware of the inherent problems and issues connected to oil additives.

Someone tell me about this Shell Rotella 5W40 oil. I also own an '03 Ducati Monster 800, and Ducati uses Shell oil. Some of you use it in your Max's, and I am curious as to what is special about this oil.

 

[Nicki66]

I am running the Shell Rotella 5w40 in my '06. Since it is a diesel oil it has higher levels of zinc in it that are good for our engines, bearing I believe. With this oil my trans shifts so nicely.
I'm sure that I change my too much, but oil is cheap. Im changing mine at 1500 miles and use a Bosch filter.
I assume that 4G will chime in on this one.

 

[sdt354]

Oil and filter every 1000 miles, Any majotr brand 10-40 on sale. I use Fram motorcycle filters from Wal-mart (got the spin on adapter). Might sound excessive, but oil's cheap compared to down time problems. 175,000 miles on my old beamer when I sold it with no oil burning.
Steve

 

[Diablotin]

I am running the Shell Rotella 5w40 in my '06. Since it is a diesel oil it has higher levels of zinc in it that are good for our engines, bearing I believe. With this oil my trans shifts so nicely.
I'm sure that I change my too much, but oil is cheap. Im changing mine at 1500 miles and use a Bosch filter.
I assume that 4G will chime in on this one.

5W40 more a cold oil no ? so better than manual recommendation ?

 

[Bawls]

Oil and filter every 1000 miles, Any majotr brand 10-40 on sale. I use Fram motorcycle filters from Wal-mart (got the spin on adapter). Might sound excessive, but oil's cheap compared to down time problems. 175,000 miles on my old beamer when I sold it with no oil burning.
Steve

get rid of that POS fram filter and put ANYTHING else on it. Preferably a Napa gold or wix.

(napa gold is made by wix)

 

[Elimax]

Hey folks:

SDT354 mentioned a "spin-on oil filter adaptor" for his '89 Max...I have an '89 as well and would love to buy one also. Who sells 'em?

Elimax

 

[Redbone]

Get in touch with Tom from Cycle Oneoff. I sure he has them in stock. You will need a frame cross brace from a '97 or newer with the curved cross brace or Tom has them too.

 

[chainednitromaxx]

I have been using x1-r since 2003.I tried it when Walker recommended it to me. Whe i put it in my motor i could actually notice it was quiter as far as mechanical noise.I also put it in my Dads bike and he even said it was quiter and smother. I strongly recommend it to anyone.It also has never messed with the clutchs as far as slipping. I like to change my oil every 1000 to 1500 miles.If you are hard on the bike especially with shifting you can get some metal from the tranny.Yes, the filter should catch it but i want it out of there.The oil if left sitting over winter will get contaminated with moisture.