The End

[V4max]

No we don't want to talk alot of politics because someone's gonna get pissed all im saying is i say we atleast let this play out and see how it goes before we start rioting and killing each other.

 

[Fire-medic]

I saw the 'Kimberly Guilfoyle dancing' video yesterday, before it was posted here.

The Republicans have had the Senate and the POTUS for four years, the Democrats the House of Representatives. What legislation passed, what didn't, and the Executive Orders issues, the presidential appointments to the judiciary and executive branches: that is all now history, or it will be in twelve more days.

I am optimistic that the incoming administration and with the honorable opposition's co operation, will be able to use their position to promote economy, efficiency, effectiveness, and responsiveness to the immediate and the long-range needs of the republic, while using democratic means to accomplish these ends. "Of the people, by the people, and for the people," economic, social, and political cooperation across local, sate, and federal government, with an eye to re-establishing our international reputation as the leader of the free world. Like Bob 'Bear' Hite said in the Canned Heat song:

"Together we stand, divided we fall
Come on now people, let's get on the ball and work together"

 

[V4max]

Thats all we can do is hope for the best i guess we will see soon enough

 

[Parminio]

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And that's exactly what they were doing. Encouraging people to fight before Trump went out there to send them down to the capital to attempt a coup.

It was not the day before. You can clearly see the hundreds of people on the TV screens waiting outside for Trump to take the podium.

It is exactly what he described in his post.

 

[ouchez]

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IMHO, the USA has never been the same since John and Bobby Kennedy and MLK were murdered. It has been down hill since that time. I think the real question that needs to be asked, and answered, is what drove those protesters, most peaceful, to feel the need to break into the Capitol building and trash offices and fight the police? I will say this,,I do not hold that the Capitol building is any more sacred than my home or your's. Both deserve the same amount of respect.

 

[Redrum]

IMHO, the USA has never been the same since John and Bobby Kennedy and MLK were murdered. It has been down hill since that time. I think the real question that needs to be asked, and answered, is what drove those protesters, most peaceful, to feel the need to break into the Capitol building and trash offices and fight the police? I will say this,,I do not hold that the Capitol building is any more sacred than my home or your's. Both deserve the same amount of respect.

I've always thought protests are like football games. Everyone neatly files into the stands ready for a good time, then excitement builds, the team wins or loses, someone throws a chair, then everyone starts tearing the place apart. Caught up in the moment and regretting it the next day.

 

[ouchez]

And that's exactly what they were doing. Encouraging people to fight before Trump went out there to send them down to the capital to attempt a coup.

It was not the day before. You can clearly see the hundreds of people on the TV screens waiting outside for Trump to take the podium.

It is exactly what he described in his post.

"coup",,I don't buy that,,he was busy paying back all those in the House who had made his life hell from the moment he was sworn in and even to pay back certain Republicans that he had a beef with. As to Prez. Trump I care not to see him and his family ever again,,but I exclude Baron and Melania from that list. I believe Prez. Trump is a narcissist of the highest order and a very, very cold and stupid man, and that is sad.

 

[Parminio]

I think the real question that needs to be asked, and answered, is what drove those protesters, most peaceful, to feel the need to break into the Capitol building and trash offices and fight the police?

Trump.

Trump did it.

He convinced them that the election was stolen from them.

He told them over and over that there was widespread fraud when there wasn't.

They had been planning this for weeks. Trump egged them on the entire time. He then told them on the 6th, after promising something BIG was going to happen, that they should go down to the capital and FIGHT and that he would BE RIGHT THERE WITH THEM.

That's what caused it.

 

[ouchez]

Trump.

Trump did it.

He convinced them that the election was stolen from them.

He told them over and over that there was widespread fraud when there wasn't.

They had been planning this for weeks. Trump egged them on the entire time. He then told them on the 6th, after promising something BIG was going to happen, that they should go down to the capital and FIGHT and that he would BE RIGHT THERE WITH THEM.

That's what caused it.

There was far more to it than that, I believe,,but you may be partially correct. Maybe our Gov. in DC has progressed to the point it just does not work for the people any more,,have we reached that point?

 

[Parminio]

No. I'm right. Everyone with a brain knows I'm right.

That's why Trump will lose everything he has. That's why his own followers are abandoning him after he threw them all under the bus to protect himself.

 

[Traumahawk]

No. I'm right. Everyone with a brain knows I'm right.

That's why Trump will lose everything he has. That's why his own followers are abandoning him after he threw them all under the bus to protect himself.

AKA Orange man bad.....

 

[Kronx]

The country was divided ever since this pic became a reality, or people were using this symbol as their avatar.

I was publicly dressed down on this forum when there was a political thread going on, and I said about the president at the time, "Not my president". I was then told that no matter what my thoughts were about the man, I should still have respect for the office. I thought about this for a while......and they were RIGHT. I was NOT showing the office of the President of the United States due respect. Upon reflection, I was going against how I had been raised.

I've lost a few VERY good friends based on my voting choices. The sad part about it, is that instead of trying to find out how or why I voted how I did, I was automatically deemed racist and evil.

I have even been hung up on, by GREAT friends, when emotions came into play.

Yes, the burn out pit is an "anything goes" area of the forum.....but do we as a group really want to go here about politics?

So a resistance avatar in 2016 justifies all of this? How? Because it's in opposition to your political views? Did you forget Mitch McConnell saying in 2009 his #1 priority was to make Obama a one term president? Remember when an entire political arm called the Tea Party was formed to reject any and all Obama administration policies? Is that not resistance that became reality? But a red avatar caused all of this division? Por fa fucking vor.

A couple of years ago, you accused me of having "TDS" on this forum because of my criticisms of Trump. At that time I wasn't criticizing you or anyone, I was criticizing Trump and you went for the cliche TDS insult. So lets not pretend you're some innocent victim in political discourse that never makes personal attacks.

I think of all the Republicans in the public sphere who have been exiled by their own party during Trump's administration, called RINO cucks and traitors, because they wouldn't kiss Trump's ring. Folks like McCain, Mattis, Tillerson, Amash, the list goes on and on. It was amazing to see how quickly Trump supporters turned on all those life long Republicans. They're doing it now with any of the Republicans who are speaking out against the attempted coup Trump fomented. Romney, Graham, Sasse, and more -- they're all getting death threats now by Trump supporters.

Trump showed everyone on 2016 campaign trail EXACTLY who he was with mocking the handicapped and calling POWs losers. He had peaceful protestors cleared out with tear gas and rubber bullets so he could take a picture with a bible in front of a church. He even ran off the church's own clergy for the photo! I had friends there who witnessed it first hand. Now he stoked his supporters to attempt a coup and our nation's capitol was assaulted. The last time the capitol was assaulted was by the British in 1814! I don't understand how Trump supporters can ignore the historical significance of that. It was a day Trump had been promoting for weeks, he gave a speech shortly before the assault, he told his supporters to march there, he said he would march with them. He didn't march with them. Guess he couldn't due to the bone spurs acting up again.

But somehow this is all the lefts fault. Resistance avatars are to blame says the party of personal responsibility. Now Republicans are saying the folks who stormed the capitol were antifa. Despite the fact that the people who stormed the building took plenty of selfies and made videos while they were doing it have been identified as fervent Trump supporters calling for a revolution. The woman shot and killed was known for her fascination of QAnon. It wasn't the left or antifa that stormed the US Capitol in an attempted coup and five people died as a result. It was Trump supporters. So yea, Orange Man is bad... very bad.

I can understand people having political differences, but I will never understand people's unwavering loyalty to Trump. Trump was right about one thing however. He could shoot someone in the middle of the street and his supporters wouldn't care. Or in this case 5 people in the nations capitol. Been over 200 years since the nations capitol was stormed by British in red coats. This week it was Americans in red hats. Yet they claim its the left that suffers from Trump Derangement Syndrome. The irony.

 

[Traumahawk]

“Trump Derangement Syndrome (TDS) is a mental condition in which a person has been driven effectively insane due to their dislike of Donald Trump, to the point at which they will abandon all logic and reason.”

The Point here is simple: TDS is the knee-jerk opposition from liberals (and Never Trumpers) to anything and everything Trump does. If Trump announced he was donating every dollar he’s ever made, TDS sufferers would suggest he was up to something nefarious, according to the logic of TDS. There’s nothing – not. one. thing. – that Trump could do or say that would be received positively by TDSers.

You forget one thing Kronx.....Ive ridden with you. I still think that you are a great guy, and willing to sit down and discuss things over the beverage of your choice. I do think that your grandmother helped raise a fine man.

I do believe that you missed the point that I was trying to make. A resistance symbol didnt cause this division.....but 4 FUCKING YEARS OF RESISTANCE did. So, the people that have called Trump Hitler......for 4 years. Called him EVIL INCARNATE for 4 years. Said that ITS A MORAL IMPERATIVE to remove him from office....for 4 years, is why we have the level of division that we do now.

Remember, if someone is evil, then isnt someone justified in doing what ever it takes (including lying, stealing, and cheating) to remove someone from office?

Dont forget...even the media is biased.

 

[Kronx]

Man I'm quite familiar with what TDS. It's not like Trump supporters haven't been using that phrase a million times. So tell me man, if you can recall, what was my criticism of Trump that was knee jerk? That was illogical or unreasonable? I'd like to know. Was it when I called him a fraud? And then provided links to the millions of dollars he's paid in fines for...*checks notes* fraud. Was it when I criticized him for his comments on John McCain being a POW? Was that unreasonable of me, a veteran, to be angry that a 5 time draft dodger called McCain a loser for being a POW? Was it because I said he was Putins puppet when he stood in front of the world in Helsinki and said he believed Putin over his intelligence agencies? There's not ONE DAMN THING I've criticized Trump on that is illogical or unreasonable. It's not like I criticized him for something ridiculous like wearing a tan suit or putting Grey Pupoun on a hamburger... I don't really care that you said I had TDS, but even by your own definition of it, you were wrong to make that claim. So no, I didn't miss your point. You're just deliberately ignoring the 8 years Republicans did the very same shit that you're complaining about now.

I don't understand the allegiance to Trump over party. Over country. I never will. He's not a Republican. He doesn't care about you. All he cares about is adoration and praise. I've watched the Republican party change so much over the last two decades but really accelerated the last 4 years and it's shocking. I can't get over how quickly ya'll will eat your own now because they don't kiss Trump's ring. The man would be in jail right now if he wasn't president. His university and non-profit got shut down due to fraud. They stole from their charities so much they had to take a mandatory class on why you shouldn't steal from charities. He committed campaign finance crimes by paying off a porn star he cheated on his wife with campaign funds. He would be sharing a jail cell with his lawyer Michael Cohen if he wasn't president. I just don't get why life long Republicans are throwing any and all integrity they have out the window in support of this man who doesn't give two shits about his supporters.

Ya'll talk about "the intolerant left" -- man, have ya'll paid attention to your tolerance to other Republicans? Even you are calling Never Trump Republicans "knee jerk" reactionaries. Most of the public facing "never Trumpers" worked for previous Republican president administrations. Look at how Trump and his supporters have treated HWB and GWB. Republican officials involved in elections receiving death threats because Trump supporters don't like the election results. When Trump supporters were committing an armed insurrection this week they were chanting "Hang Mike Pence" while they were breaking the doors down. What were you saying about illogical and unreasonable? Do you think chanting "Hang Mike Pence" is reasonable? Do you think storming our nations capitol is a logical and reasonable response to an election loss? How does any sort resistance by the left justify chanting "Hang Mike Pence?" There is a derangement when it comes to Trump alright.

As far as your question "If someone is evil, then isnt someone justified in doing what ever it takes (including lying, stealing, and cheating) to remove someone from office?"

Are you answering your own question? Did Trump supporters not engage in an armed insurrection on our nations capitol because they felt justified in doing whatever takes? Have you asked yourself that? Or do you only apply that question to Democrats? Because when it comes to lying, stealing, and cheating, Trump checks all those boxes too amigo. So I'm little confused on the point you're trying to make with your question.

It wasn't the kneejerk reactionary left or never Trumpers that engaged in an armed insurrection on the capitol building and five Americans died as a result. It wasn't "radical socialists" who committed an act not seen over 200 years. It wasn't Democrats chanting "Hang Mike Pence." It was Trump supporters. That's not fake news. That's not hyperbole. That's reality. That's fact.

Below is 30mins of raw footage taken inside the capitol during the insurrection. It's most definitely not peaceful nor reasonable. Any attempt to say this is the fault of the left is utterly ridiculous. The other video is of them chanting Hang Mike Pence.

America will remain divided for the rest of our lifetimes. Nothing is going to change in that regard. It's the same old cycle we've seen over and over. On Jan 21st, 2021, Republicans will suddenly care about debt again. Ignoring the fact that it damn near doubled the last 4 years. Remember when you posted debtclock.org during the Obama administration? Have you checked it recently? The numbers might surprise you. Republicans will suddenly care about unemployment again as it's doubled over the last 4 years. It was just around 5% on Obama's last day in office. It's getting close to 11% now. I don't know if Biden golfs, but if he does they'll suddenly care about that too even though Trump golfed as much in 4 years as Obama did in 8. But I do remember the golf trips of Obama being a real problem for folks here. Heck, I also suspect Republicans will suddenly care about COVID-19 deaths too on Jan 21st. Whatever it takes to perpetuate the divide. It will be done.

 

[ouchez]

So a resistance avatar in 2016 justifies all of this? How? Because it's in opposition to your political views? Did you forget Mitch McConnell saying in 2009 his #1 priority was to make Obama a one term president? Remember when an entire political arm called the Tea Party was formed to reject any and all Obama administration policies? Is that not resistance that became reality? But a red avatar caused all of this division? Por fa fucking vor.

A couple of years ago, you accused me of having "TDS" on this forum because of my criticisms of Trump. At that time I wasn't criticizing you or anyone, I was criticizing Trump and you went for the cliche TDS insult. So lets not pretend you're some innocent victim in political discourse that never makes personal attacks.

I think of all the Republicans in the public sphere who have been exiled by their own party during Trump's administration, called RINO cucks and traitors, because they wouldn't kiss Trump's ring. Folks like McCain, Mattis, Tillerson, Amash, the list goes on and on. It was amazing to see how quickly Trump supporters turned on all those life long Republicans. They're doing it now with any of the Republicans who are speaking out against the attempted coup Trump fomented. Romney, Graham, Sasse, and more -- they're all getting death threats now by Trump supporters.

Trump showed everyone on 2016 campaign trail EXACTLY who he was with mocking the handicapped and calling POWs losers. He had peaceful protestors cleared out with tear gas and rubber bullets so he could take a picture with a bible in front of a church. He even ran off the church's own clergy for the photo! I had friends there who witnessed it first hand. Now he stoked his supporters to attempt a coup and our nation's capitol was assaulted. The last time the capitol was assaulted was by the British in 1814! I don't understand how Trump supporters can ignore the historical significance of that. It was a day Trump had been promoting for weeks, he gave a speech shortly before the assault, he told his supporters to march there, he said he would march with them. He didn't march with them. Guess he couldn't due to the bone spurs acting up again.

But somehow this is all the lefts fault. Resistance avatars are to blame says the party of personal responsibility. Now Republicans are saying the folks who stormed the capitol were antifa. Despite the fact that the people who stormed the building took plenty of selfies and made videos while they were doing it have been identified as fervent Trump supporters calling for a revolution. The woman shot and killed was known for her fascination of QAnon. It wasn't the left or antifa that stormed the US Capitol in an attempted coup and five people died as a result. It was Trump supporters. So yea, Orange Man is bad... very bad.

I can understand people having political differences, but I will never understand people's unwavering loyalty to Trump. Trump was right about one thing however. He could shoot someone in the middle of the street and his supporters wouldn't care. Or in this case 5 people in the nations capitol. Been over 200 years since the nations capitol was stormed by British in red coats. This week it was Americans in red hats. Yet they claim its the left that suffers from Trump Derangement Syndrome. The irony.

Kronx,,You have just repeated the talking points and views of one side of the argument, the other side also has a very good argument, but the fact is the Gov. and people in D.C. simply do not work for the U.S people any longer, it is dysfunctional, both parties are, and Trump was created by those horrible abuses and dysfunction of D.C. Remember the U.S people put Trump in office,,not Putin as you probably believe. When you have a marriage that becomes dysfunctional what do you do, get council, change your ways, stay together and be happy,or co-exist for the sake of your kids, or you separate and work out a divorce. Is it possible that the Country is at a point that a divorce is called for and needs to be negotiated,,much like Brexit? Is it possible that D.C. has become the land of Ghouls, how many millions have they killed needlessly since the end of WW-2,,how much of OUR wealth have they squandered, how many lives have thy destroyed?

 

[dannymax]

Patience...this will all be clear in time

 

[V4max]

We could argue for days with each other over all this lets get back to what brings us together the good ole v4 hot rod max

 

[Bullies74]

2020 - Peaceful Protesting and The Summer of Love

Cities of the nation were burned, looted and destroyed.

Anarchist taking over and occupying cities.

Small business owners shuttered, never to return.

Statues knocked over and vandalized , while L.E. Officers stand down.

Complicit politicians condoning all of the above and not a word is spoken.

 

[rrego]

And here you go, folks:

You got hook, line and sinkered.

 

[Buster Hymen]

Remember when most people laughed at all the stupid conspiracy theories?

Trump made all of that real by endorsing them and actively promoting them.

Big Tech helped as well because it made them obscenely rich.

That is all over now. Trust me, Big Tech is going to get slaughtered in court along with a great many other enablers.

Trump said in 2015, and I quote," I love the uneducated! "

That's exactly who he took advantage of. Now, they're all dying because they think Covid-19 is a hoax, losing their careers because they though Trump would save them, and going to prison because they believed a lie about election fraud that never happened.

There's going to be a massive reckoning over all of this. It will cost Big Tech billions and many people are going to go to prison.

Countless people will lose not just their jobs, but their careers.

The legal carnage will last for at least the next 2 years.

I think it would have helped if there was at least one court case to examine the evidence to see if there was voter fraud. There was an investigation for the previous election saying the Russians were tampering with the election results. It seems most of the anger is that not one court will consider an investigation.